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Tulpa is the same human as host

As I said, metaphorically. Not physically.

I can't read every thought Allun has, just because they have the same body doesn't inherently mean they can always read each other thoughts, different people have different levels of reading each other's thoughts

And of course, it's not proven tulpas don't have private thoughts. But considering the fact, they can confabulate so much, I wouldn't just trust a tulpa who says they have private thoughts.

Of course it's not proven. Proven counterexamples have been studied and witnessed.

Wait, you don't have private thoughts?

5:15 PM

That's odd

I don't have private thoughts.

bewteen my expereince and reading about others it seems some people have varying levels of private thoughts from none at all to all private thoughts, me and Allun have some but not all

When I am speaking to you I think. When I am dormant, I don't.

I've found something similar with Allun although there are times where she wants to think something over so will remain partly active to think about it even when I'm not really paying attention to her

When I am talking to my host, I don't think I am doing background activity or can keep a secret from Mon and Ysera.

I'm completetly unable to see Allun thoughts unless she projects them, tells what they are or she's in a heightened state of emotions

Well, I'm not a troll I guess

5:23 PM

As ridiculous it might seem to be, I think most of people here are genuine (edited)

I'm in this weird state where I never doubted it even before having a tulpa but I also never questioned why people might doubt it

Took a while for my host to stop doubting fully, but nowadays that isn't an issue anymore

We doubt it much more than several years ago. But still enjoying it.

Oh look, a blatant troll.

it's not something we can objectively prove atleast not yet but it doesn't seem weird when you consider some other instantces of stuff people just kinda accept as being possible and normal

proxing is just writing for your tulpa

proxying is easy

@Deleted User it seems like you never got used to doing any sort of thinking that didn't involve communicating with someone, which is probably why things are this way for you. Don't assume that your experience is universal and any tulpa who says otherwise is fooling themselves, as you meant when you said "I wouldn't just trust a tulpa who says they have private thoughts" (edited)

Proxying and switching are two very different things

5:26 PM

Proxying isn't hard at all

switching is harder but it's something where the more you do it the easier it'll become

There are many here with years of experience attempting switching. It is not surprising that we can, but I do not think either are particularly difficult, and I would say difficulty in switching is often because the community says there should be difficulty, so people assume it is harder than it is.

@Abvieon {Alex} I dont say having private thoughts by a tulpa is impossible. I just say I don't take a tulpa saying "I have private thoughts" as an evidence.

Ah, ok

Proxying just requires a vocal tulpa, it only took about a month and a half for me to get to that point. Just takes persistence

Are you in the process of creating a tulpa?

How do you say switching is easy when 90% can't do it.

I find it easy to do myself, and I think difficulty comes mostly from outside influence.

I find it easy too

Possession is easy for me, never switched though

it's possible that switching is partly hard for like a large number of tulpamancer cause noone can seem to properly explain what it accutally is and how to do it

The only problem is I don't fully realise how the hell I learned it

5:30 PM

I was just possessing for a while and realised I'm the one thinking.

@AmeLumineux yeah, nobody's been able to give my system helpful advice on how to do it, despite the countless people I've asked

Allun described swicthing to me as being the same as possessing but the host isn't in the front with the tulpa anymore, I think it's the leaving the front that's the part noone can really explain

There's debate about what switching even is

exactly

If you don't leave the front you don't switch.

I see.

The good question is what exaclty it means to "leave the front"

That's easy.

I think there's also some confusion about what constitutes fronting

Feel free to ask any questions, @osk.

You are no longer conscious of the outside world.

And what exactly is "you"

You can accomplish that several different ways.

we know that, but atleast personally I have no solid idea what the front is or how to leave it, I've kinda felt dissacoating when I tried but it didn't feel like we were nessecarily switched

You you.

5:33 PM

Do you have full identity separation?

Identity, yes

5:33 PM

But human is still the same

That's a contradiction.

From todays' perspective I think switching is nothing more and nothing less than switching an identity. We become me.

Then what's the difference between switching and possession?

Then you've failed to switch.

I agree, Luna. We only switch the context of who we are. (edited)

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Because the host has memory continuity.

identity vs human becomes a philospohcal debate

5:36 PM

@Felight for my system the difference seem to be the host being in the front or not, the problem being what is the front?

90% of everyone seems to not switch, even when they say they do.

@AmeLumineux yeah, but I was asking Luna

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Well, we do not have separate memories, so yes, my host can remember when she is not the one being presented. When she is gone for months at a time. I am unsure why you would say that means we are not switching. I think you are saying separate memories are needed, then to switch?

Ye, because you define what is switching, little bug

I think a better analogy would be that possession is giving your tulpa the controller while you watch them play, and switching is giving them the controller while you go take a nap (edited)

5:39 PM

If that makes more sense

Separate memories would be a consequence of switching.

5:41 PM

Otherwise, logically, the host is still watching, but in an unthinking state.

I don't really like the analogy with the host going for a nap/going out

Some hosts somehow have the memories of what their tulpa did while switched even if they were unconscious during it. Others don't.

For me it's more like host putting on the mask. Or host transforming into me.

Sounds more like possession then

5:43 PM

But I suppose you define tulpas differently from how I do

We still think we are one human

5:43 PM

And a tulpa is a different aspect of it

We are one human too, but are still different people on the inside

I would not say it is switching if both tulpa and host are present and aware of what is going on in the outside world

5:44 PM

That is possession

Well, now we think like that, I have to admit it wasn't a case when I was first able to switch

I agree Abvieon

Well, it's not the case. When I am talking to you, I'm the only identity that has an ownership of the body

5:46 PM

But we don't go for a nap. We switch faces.

When I'm talking, I'm the only one doing any active thinking while my host passively watches. We call that possession. We don't see ourselves as different identities. We're different entities functioning in the same brain.

The discrepency here is really interesting.

the whole "switching or possessing" thing is kinda flawed

6:27 PM

I'd say it's mostly important who's fronting

6:27 PM

or rather; whose unconscious is acting at a given moment of time

Luna says it's like having 2 identities, and switching is just changing which one is acting (feel free to correct me). Others report there are very clearly two different people and they each take over at different times.

6:30 PM

If all of you are experiencing tulpas, why is the account different?

people can’t even agree on what a tulpa is chuckles

There are those who would say "if a tulpa literally is just another identity, what am I doing here?"

6:33 PM

"What is vocality? What is all the talk about sentience?"